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November 14, 2008

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Donna

Allen Keyes has every right to ask to see the birth certificate of the President so as to lay to rest these allegations. Oh sure, there would be a fury, but is Obama's communistic socialism better?

Wake up folks, the house is on fire !

Stu Jones

Man! When are we going to get over this slave mentality? Never! We need to stop blocking each other, because there is no need to follow white people ignorance. Obama is the President now and we need to support him in anyway we can. All people whether you are black or white have to step it up and do something to help the problem instead of becoming the problem. Brother!!!

RMF

This is disguisting. You, whoever you are, is disguisting! A Racist! Filthy! You should be ashamed. This is 2009! Your entire take on the man, his politics, his family is based entirely from a SICK perspective. You and all those that support your website are tainted individuals. Your inability to see past his skin tone is why you are forever unable to see true change - though it is staring you in the face. Do you really not see that your "Waffle Box" is a disguisting representation of the past? Did you NOT grow up seeing the video clips from the times of segration when racists people would draw ignorant and foul characatures of black people and display them to the world proudly? Of course you saw those types of things. Thus the reason "why" you have done this. You might as well hang a cross and start burning it. This is just an updated version of that same sickness. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Letty Guerra

I'm not concerned on who becomes president if it is found that B.O. is not a U.S. citizen - what I'm concerned with is how our Constitution has been disgraced. That laws have been broken, lies have been told and covered up and that we have a willing accomplis in the mainstream media.

Hillary, McCain, Biden who cares they are citizens! Isn't anyone afraid of how these things are being kept from the public. How the media doesn't investigate? Has anyone ever watched the History Channel and seen how the NAZI's took over Germany. Just because they are not white doesn't mean that they are not Liberal Faciests. Are we or are we not a nation of laws? If it is found that he indeed is not a citizen - this will mean certain instability in our country.

The constitution is the foundation of this country just like the concrete slab under your house is the foundation. If you mess with it I'm sure your house will not be left standing for long! This isn't a game!! If it is just a bunch of nothing - then why doesn't he just show the docs to his critics and be done with it? Just like why didn't Clinton just settle with Paula Jones. Imagine how much grief we would have been spared?

Rick

Frank has a good point about the Security Clearance, however, there are a few flaws in his logic. First, as a Senator Obama could easily have obtained a Security Clearance as a Naturalized Citizen so the fact that he obtained a Security Clearance as a Senator (if true) does not automatically qualify him as Natural Born.

Next, when/if Obama obtained a Security Clearance as a Senator it is unlikely that the investigators would have obtained a vault copy of his birth certificate. They would most likely have received the summary copy of the certificate or they would have simply verified the information electronically by contacting Hawaii for confirmation or getting the information from some second source database of personal information (such as their own database).

People erroneously assume that having a security clearance means the government has checked every item of a persons history and validates it as true. Actually, this is not the case.

The other error in Frank's argument is that Obama having a Security Clearance as a Senator or a President automatically means that the office that provided his birth certificate has, 1. actual knowledge regarding his true (as opposed to claimed) birth location and citizenship and, 2. that this office has communicated this information to the Supreme Court, DNC, RNC, Keyes, McCain, Press, or whomever.

It is conceivable that the office responsible for investigating and granting security clearances may now be aware or may become aware in the future that Obama was born in Africa or whatever his true information is. However, Obama's security file is just as protected from disclosure as is his birth certificate. Unless Obama agrees to release it the information will not become public.

The other thing Frank misses is that Obama currently would have what is known as an "Interim" Security Clearance. Running a full high level security clearance can take a year or two. In the meantime, anyone applying for a security clearance, including Obama, would receive an interim clearance. The interim clearance is granted based on the unverified information int he applicants own application. Later, once the information is verified the interim clearance becomes a formal and final clearance. So, the fact that Obama may currently have been granted an interim clearance as President Elect does not mean that any of his information has been verified.

Obama's biggest problem is that the Natural Born citizen clause of the Constitution has never been defined by the Supreme Court. The reason for the Clause was that the founders did not want a President to be corrupted by foreign influences such as would occur if he was born and grew up in a foreign country. At the time, people did not travel like they do today so the founders never imagined that someone would ever become a citizen of three countries and then go on to become President of the US.

Whether or not Obama was born in Kenya, it is clear he was a citizen of Kenya and Indonesia and the US. In his own speaches he has stated that he considers himself to be a "Citizen of the World". Quite likely, he has never formally renounced either his Kenyan or his Indonesian citizenship.

This sort of multiple, serial, citizenship is incompatible with the intent of the Natural Born Citizen clause of the Constitution. The Natural Born Citizen clause of the Constition was created to assure the President had lifelong loyalty only to the USA and it is clear that Obama fails in this respect.

If the Supreme Court agrees to decide precisely what is the definition of Natural Born Citizen within the meaning of Article 2 of the Constitution it is likely Obama will be found unqualified. He knows this and this is why he has gone to such great lengths to hide the facts of his childhood and citizenship status.

dprint4u

Then why spend the big bucks and fight every suit filed? Why not spend the $50 and have a sealed, certified copy sent to the court in question to have the judge open and reveal? Full disclosure would not be a bad thing right now.

"Frank" your comments lack one element. Not one person has come forward in any official capacity from the national election to claim that Obama was checked out! In my opinion I believe that it was only assumed Obama was checked out. Funny how that the Ayers connected with factcheck web site was the only one to personally see the document that Obama claims to be proof of birth in HI.

Why not send everyone who has filed a law suite a copy, instead of stonewalling the situation? We have a right to see his tax records, why not his birth records?

Frank

The lawsuits are quite valid. There has never been a process for checking the qualifications of the presidential candidates. Mr. Berg's lawsuit is before the Supreme Court, who have asked Mr. Obama for information prior to December 1st. Berg has supported his case with the testimony of two ministers, with a taped interview with Mr. Obama's own grandmother, and with official documents from Indonesia identifying Mr. Obama's citizenship as Indonesian. Obama has produced nothing.

Hawaii keeps claiming that documentation exists, but they have refused to produce anything. The two or three altered copies of a MODERN Certificate of Live Birth that Obama has produced are not legal "vault" copies of his original birth certificate. Likewise, Obama has not produced the documentation necessary to demonstrate what he did when he returned to the USA from Indonesia.

Oh, and by the way, if Obama is disqualified between 12/15/2008 and 1/20/2009, section 3 of the 20th Amendment to the Constitution gives the presidency to Joe Biden.

Michael

These lawsuits are frivolous. There are already laws in place and rules for determining whether the candidate can take office and what to do if he/she cannot take office.

Keyes didn't seem to raise a red flag about the process when he ran for President, why the concern now?

No one points out that Obama as a senator already has security clearance and now as president elect has been cleared to receive the National Security Brief. Even the lowest level security clearance validates your U.S. citizenship, financial records, and past associations. As serious as the people are who do the low level checks I cannot imagine how deep they dig for the high clearances like Obama has received. An affidavit doesn't cut it with those people.

When is this idiotic crap going to die. Both Berg's and Martin's lawsuits were dismissed as well as I'm sure 5 or 10 others across the U.S. Hawaii has already publicly stated that they have Obama's original AND valid Hawaiian birth certificate in hand.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081031/ap_on_el_pr/obama_birth_certificate

http://www.starbulletin.com/news/hawaiinews/20081101_officials_verify_birth_certificate_of_obama.html

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/

Ted

Unavoidable scenario: If SCOTUS disqualifies Obama BEFORE 1/20/09 inauguration, McCain is POTUS per remaining electoral college electors; if SCOTUS disqualifies Obama after 1/20/09 inauguration, Hillary likely becomes POTUS per vote of Dem controlled House of Rep. Either way, is clear Obama will NOT be or remain POTUS.

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